= Sage Days 18 Coding Sprint Projects = <> == Elliptic curves over function fields == This project will include the following topics: * Compute regulators of elliptic curves over function fields: * This worksheet does it using Tate's suggestion (i.e., use the definition): http://sagenb.org/home/pub/1198/ * Is there an algorithm to enumerate all elliptic curves over a function field of a given conductor? * Victor Miller reports that there are some papers that give efficient algorithms for solving "S-unit equations" over function fields, which seems relevant. It's well known that finding all Elliptic Curves with good reduction outside a finite set, $S$ of places is equivalent to solving S-unit equations (this is not true when the curve is iso-trivial, though that's not much of a problem here). There are a series of four papers by Gaal and Pohst that give efficient algorithms for this when dealing with function fields over finite fields, especially $\mathbb{F}_q(t)$. [[http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WKD-4HVF15H-2&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=ec0b143bb1c45f3bdcd4bea8841e8735|Diophantine Equations over Global Function Fields I: The Thue Equation]] [[http://akpeters.metapress.com/content/458402lu66634164/|Diophantine Equations over Global Function Fields II: R-Integral Solutions of Thue Equations]] [[http://projecteuclid.org/DPubS?verb=Display&version=1.0&service=UI&handle=euclid.facm/1229696556&page=record|Diophantine equations over global function fields III: An application to resultant form equations]] [[http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WKD-4TP7HDM-3&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=c50fd011b673de5511d49b10b3fe9935|Diophantine equations over global function fields IV: S-unit equations in several variables with an application to norm form equations]] The paper [[http://projecteuclid.org/DPubS?service=UI&version=1.0&verb=Display&handle=euclid.em/1204928531|Finding All Elliptic Curves with Good Reduction Outside a Given Set of Primes]] by Cremona and Lingham has a lot of details and references to the analogous problem over number fields (which should be harder). * Implement Tate's algorithm for elliptic curves over the function field $\mathbb{F}_p(t)$. * Verify BSD for elliptic curves over function fields of analytic rank 3 or higher * Robert Bradshaw implemented faster arithmetic for $F_p(t)$: [[http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/7585|#7585]] * Robert Bradshaw has implemented fast point search: http://sagenb.org/home/pub/1228/ * Let $K=\mathbb{F}_5(t)$ and $E/K: y^2 = x(x+t)(x+t^2)$ be the Legendre curve and consider its twist by $f=1+t$, $E_f$. $E_f$ has Weierstrass equation $$ y^2 = x^3 + \left(3 t^{6} + 3 t^{5} + 3 t^{3} + 3 t^{2}\right)x +\left(4 t^{9} + t^{8} + 3 t^{7} + 2 t^{6} + 3 t^{5} + t^{4} + 4 t^{3}\right). $$ The L-funtion of $E_f$ is: $$ L(E_f/K,T) = 1-5T-25T^2+125T^3.$$ The analytic rank is 2 with $L^{(2)}(E_f/K,1/5) = 4$. The points $P=[3t^3 + t^2 + 4t: t^3 + 3t^2:1]$, $Q=[3t^3 + 2t^2 + 3t: t^3:1]$ are independent on $E_F(K)$, so its algebraic rank is 2. Thus the refined BSD conjecture is true. We do not if $P,Q$ generate $E_f(K)$ mod torsion, so the determinant of their height matrix (=5) gives an upper bound on the regulator of $E_f/K$. The Tamagawa number was computed by hand to be $2^7/5$. The torsion subgroup has size 4 (all 2-torsion). Thus $$ \frac{4}{2} = \frac{L^{(r)}(E_f/K,1/q)}{r!} = \frac{|Sha|R\tau}{|E(K)_{tors}|^2}\leq\frac{|Sha|\cdot 5\cdot 2^7\cdot 5^{-1}}{2^4}.$$ Note that there is probably a factor of 2 going unaccounted for in the computation of the regulator (as well as a $\log q$ factor possibly). From this, we see that $|Sha|\geq \frac{1}{4}$ (again, this is probably off by a power of 2, suggesting the bound should really be 1). * Other curves of analytic rank 2: * The Legendre curve $y^2 = x(x+t)(x+t^2)/\mathbb{F}_{11}(t)$ twisted by $t+7$ with $L$-function: $$1 -11T -121T^2+ 1331T^3$$ * The Legendre curve $y^2 = x(x+t)(x+t^2)/\mathbb{F}_{5}(t)$ twisted by $t^3+1$ with $L$-function: $$1+ 3T -15T^2 -125T^3 -625T^4 -1875T^5 +9375T^6 +78125T^7$$ * Some analytic rank 3 curves: * The Legendre curve $y^2 = x(x+t)(x+t^2)/\mathbb{F}_{5}(t)$ twisted by $t^5+t^2+t+1$ with $L$-function: $$1 +T -25T^2 -121T^3 -190T^4 -150T^5 +750T^6 +23750T^7+ 378125T^8+ 1953125T^9 -1953125T^{10} -48828125T^{11}$$ * The Legendre curve $y^2 = x(x+t)(x+t^2)/\mathbb{F}_{7}(t)$ twisted by $t^3+t^2+t+1$ with $L$-function: $$ 1 -9T+ 29T^2 -805T^3+ 5635T^4 -9947T^5+ 151263T^6 -823543T^7 $$ People: ''Sal Baig'', William Stein, David Roe, Ken Ribet, Kiran Kedlaya, Robert Bradshaw, Victor Miller (S-unit equations), Thomas Barnet-Lamb == Implement computation of the 3-Selmer rank of an elliptic curve over QQ == Some projects: * Implement the algorithm from Schaefer-Stoll which does the general case * Progress: Computation of S-class groups and S-units is now available for etale algebras: [[attachment:S_units_for_etale_algebras.patch]] * Implement the algorithm in the reducible case due to Jeechul Woo: [[attachment:ThreeDescent.gp|Jeechul Woo's GP script]] Here is a sage worksheet with the code attached and usable with Sage: http://sagenb.org/home/pub/1200/ and a [[attachment:three_descent.sage|sage port]]. * Compute the 3-Selmer ranks of all curves of conductor up to 1000 People: ''Robert Miller'', William Stein, Victor Miller, Jeechul Woo (Noam's student; around only Thu, Fri) == Compute statistics about distribution of Heegner divisors and Kolyvagin divisors modulo primes p == * Compute the reduction of $x_1$ using ternary quadratic forms, then use distribution relations and hit by Hecke operators to get reduction of all $x_n$. There is a theorem of Jetchev-Kane about the asymptotic distribution of $x_n$; compare our new data with that. * Stein: I posted a bundle based against Sage-4.2.1 here (called heegner-4.2.1.hg), which has highly relevant code: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/6616 * Jetchev and Stein: wrote code and ran relevant calculations (this depends on 6616): [[attachment:jetchev-stein.sws|jetchev-stein.sws]] People: ''William Stein'', Dimitar Jetchev, Drew Sutherland, Mirela Ciperiani, Ken Ribet, Victor Miller == Create a table of images of Galois representations, for elliptic curves == The goals of this project are: * Compute and record in a nice table the exact image of Galois in $GL_2(F_p)$ for all $p<60$ and all curves in Cremona's tables, using Drew's new code/algorithm. * Extend the above to all $p$ by using the explicit bound coded in Sage. * Extend the above to all $p^k$. * Compute the exact image for all curves of conductor up to $10^8$ from the Stein-Watkins database. Add this data with some nice key to that database (i.e., change all the files to include a new field). * Think about images in $GL(Z/mZ)$. * Think about statistics resulting from the above computation. * Status report on Thursday from Drew: "I now have a standalone version mostly working that is driven entirely by precomputed tables. It's about 6-7 times faster and can crank through the entire Stein-Watkins database in under 2 hours. Still needs a bit of debugging, which I will continue working on tonight." People: ''Drew Sutherland'', Ken Ribet, William Stein, Kiran Kedlaya, David Roe == Fast computation of Heegner points == Implement the algorithm of Delauny/Watkins's algorithm for fast computation of Heegner points $y_K \in E(K)$. People: ''William Stein'', Robert Bradshaw, Jen Balakrishnan == Implement code to compute the asymptotic distribution of Kolyvagin classes == This will be based on Jared Weinstein's talk. See http://wstein.org/misc/sagedays18_papers/weinstein-kolyvagin_classes_for_higher_rank_elliptic_curves.pdf People: ''Jared Weinstein'', Mirela Ciperiani, William Stein == Verify Kolyvagin's conjecture for a specific rank 3 curve == This is done for examples of rank 2 curves. Nobody has ever checked that Kolyvagin's conjecture holds for a rank 3 curve. * Figure out exactly what needs to be computed and what might be an optimal curve and quadratic imaginary field to work with: [[/5077aestimates|Some details for 5077a]] * Verify that one Kolyvagin class for that curve is nonzero. * Possibly verify the conjecture for the first (known) rank 4 curve, which has conductor 234446. This would be '''computationally hard''', but not impossible! * Using the algorithm from Jared's talk we computed and found that the first tau we can easily try should work for verifying Kolyvagin's conjecture. Code here: http://sagenb.org/home/pub/1203 * Jen and William (Thursday night): * computed $\tau_n$ for the rank 3 curve and ''many'' $n$ using the algorithm from Jared Weinstein's talk * implemented code to compute the Kolyvagin sigma operator on $c$ that are a squarefree product of primes (and not just on primes). [[the first 2 versions/algorithms were *wrong*, but we found something in the end and implemented it]] We ran it and verified that a Kolyvagin class is nonzero for the rank 3 curve 5077a. We also tried this with some different $n$ and got consistent results. So Koly's conjecture appars to hold for a rank 3 curve! People: ''William Stein'', Dimitar Jetchev, Victor Miller (sparse linear algebra), Jen Balakrishnan, Robert Bradshaw == Implement an algorithm in Sage to compute Stark-Heegner points == There is a new algorithm due to Darmon and Pollack for computing Stark Heegner point using overconvergent modular symbols. So this project would involve: * Implementing computation of overconvergent modular symbols. * Using an implementation of overconvergent modular symbols to implement the Stark-Heegner point algorithm. People: ''Matthew Greenberg'', Cameron Frank, Kiran Kedlaya, Robert Pollack, Avner Ash, David Roe, Jay Pottharst, Thomas Barnet-Lamb == Compute the higher Heegner point y_5 on the curve 389a provably correctly == * Implement an algorithm to compute the Gross-Zagier Rankin-Selberg convolution L-functions $L(f,\chi,s)$, and use Zhang's formula to deduce heights of Heegner points. * Apply in the particular curves 389a for n=5. * Come up with an algorithm that is definitely right for provably computing Heegner points given the height. * Implement algorithm and run for 389a and n=5. * Make a table of heights of higher Heegner points. (Search to find any of height 0!) * Make a table of heights of derived Kolyvagin points. People: ''Robert Bradshaw'', William Stein, Jen Balakrishnan == Compute a Heegner point on the Jacobian of a genus 2 curve == People: Noam Elkies, virtually via his [[http://groups.google.com/group/sageday18/browse_thread/thread/6904bf31c59bb444|comments in this thread]]. == Visibility of Kolyvagin Classes == * Jared describes the problem thus: On the one hand, one of Kolyvagin's suite of conjectures is that the classes he constructs out of Heegner points ought to generate the entirety of Sha(E/K). On the other hand each element of Sha(E/K) is "visible" in some other abelian variety, in the sense of Mazur (see for instance http://www.williamstein.org/home/was/www/home/wstein/www/papers/visibility_of_sha/). I wonder if the Kolyvagin classes d(n) contributing to Sha become visible in abelian varieties in some *systematic* way; ie, in a modular Jacobian of possibly higher level. There are already some examples out there of computation with visibility and computation with Kolyvagin classes, so maybe we can gather some data. * I wrote a short paper with Dimitar Jetchev in 2005 (which I forgot about until just now, and never published), which I think was motivated by this question: [[attachment::jetchev-stein-congruences_and_unramified_cohomology.pdf]] People: ''Jared Weinstein'', Mirela Ciperiani, William Stein, Dimitar Jetchev, Ken Ribet, Barry Mazur == Find an algorithm to decide if y_{p^n} is divisible by (g-1) and run it for a curve of rank >= 2 == * Consider the Heegner $y_{p^n}$ over the anticyclotomic tower for a rank >= 2 curve, Sha trivial, etc. * Barry Mazur remarks that this may be connected to his notion (with Rubin) of "Shadow lines" in Mordell-Weil. People: Mirela Ciperiani, William Stein, Barry Mazur, Jay Pottharst == Compute Frobenius eigenvalues for a bunch of curves to illustrate Katz-Sarnak == * curves that vary in various ways, e.g., coverings of one curve... * might use David Harvey's super fast Kedlaya zeta function implementation in Sage (his C++ code), but unfortunately the curves that typically arise aren't hyperelliptic, and Harvey's code only applies to hyperelliptic curves. * could lead to questions of an "anabelian sort"... e.g., take elliptic curve over finite field, take n-torsion points, extract roots, get coverings, etc. Compute Frobenius eigenvalues of all these covers. * To do a useful computation, one needs to compute Frobenius, say for the curve $y^{\ell} = f_N(x)$, where $f_N(x)$ is the $N$-th division polynomial on an elliptic curve. This following paper is about how to count points on superelliptic curves: [[attachment:gaudry-gurel-an_extension_of_Kedlayas_point-counting_algorithm_to_superelliptic_curves.pdf|Gaudry-Gurel]] More from Barry: " I 've thought about my off-the-cuff suggestion for computing Frobenius eigenvalues, and my worry is that one won't really see anything terribly interesting if one works only with N=2; but maybe when one works with N=3. For example, take an elliptic curve E over F_q and let f_3 be (``3-division") function on E: meaning that it vanishes to order one at all nontrivial 3-torsion points and has the appropriate order pole at the origin (and no other poles or zeroes). Then (for small n) extract n-th powers of that f_3 to get curves C_n mapping to E (of unfortunately high genus). But it could be that the collection of their Frobenius eigenvalues tells us more than just the isogeny class of E? From what I learn by talking with William, this might be a very difficult computational problem though..." * There is a better paper maybe about this super-elliptic algorithm, with a Magma implementation here: http://www.math.tu-berlin.de/~minzlaff/. And here is a Sage worksheet that *wraps* that Magma code, so if you have Magma you can compute quickly the zeta function of $y^\ell = f(x)$ for f of odd degree. And indeed Minzlaff's code seems to work fine. * Kiran has a short Sage program to compute the zeta function of y^4 = (cubic), to be published soon. People: Barry Mazur, Kiran Kedlaya, Thomas Barnet-Lamb, David Harvey, Mirela Ciperiani, Sal Baig (lots of possibly relevant data over function fields) == Sage Tutorials == We would like to have a sequence of informal Sage tutorials on the following topics: * Introduction to Python/Sage (Kiran Kedlaya, 10am on Wednesday) * Linear algebra modulo p (Robert Bradshaw, 11am on Wednesday) * Tate's algorithm over number fields (David Roe, 10am on Thursday) * 2-descent in Sage (Robert Miller, 11am on Thursday) * Computing images of Galois representations (Drew Sutherland and William Stein, 11am on Friday)